The first video is about an hour long and refines many of the arguments I've seen him make in various interviews. It is an excellent summary of the history and the facts, as well as an insightful analysis of the moral and ethical underpinning of conflict, especially in relation to the context in which that conflict takes place. <media href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wcyGPMDh0" src="https://www.youtube.com/v/e_wcyGPMDh0" source="YouTube" width="560px" author="MintPress News" caption="Norman Finkelstein: Palestinians Tried EVERYTHING before October 7th - A Slave's Case for Resistance"> This is another brilliant interview with Norman, wide-ranging and unflinching. <media href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy9ObUMEvZA" src="https://www.youtube.com/v/dy9ObUMEvZA" source="YouTube" width="560px" author="Current Affairs | Nathan J. Robinson" caption="Norman Finkelstein on the Insane Racism of Israeli Society and the Plan to Erase Gaza"> From about <b>01:20:00</b>, <bq>For me, the question is not what I'm committed to. I'm not committed. I'm not committed to one state. I'm committed to no states. <b>I remain an old-fashioned 'the international shall be the human race.'</b> But then, politics is essentially about one thing. It's assessing what's the maximum you can extract from a given situation with a given balance of forces or where balance of forces is headed.</bq> From about <b>01:45:00</b>, <bq>Hamas did things that legally are indefensible on October 7th. And my view was and still is that <b>you have to acknowledge that crimes of a significant magnitude occurred on October 7th.</b> But, in my opinion, <b>that doesn't bind you to condemning Hamas</b>, which I refuse to do. And I refuse to do it for a very simple reason. You know what the simple reason is? I spent the past 15 years reading the human rights reports on what was done to those people and <b>I find it very difficult to, from above, scold them and lecture them about human rights.</b> Just as the abolitionists in our country did not condemn Nat Turner, who committed a very bloody revolt. His order number one was quote, "Kill all white people." But when you read the abolitionist statements, they say nothing about what Nad Turner did except to say it was horrible. They say horrible crimes occurred. Blood-curdling crimes occurred. We're not going to deny that. Women were hacked to death. Babies were actually beheaded in that case. <b>They said they turned to white people and they said, "We warned you. We warned you. We warned you. You treat people this way, then you reap what you have sown."</b> It was inevitable. It was going to happen. it was going to happen. <b>You can't do what you did to those people. Lock them up in a concentration camp where they're born into it.</b> They languish in it and they're destined to die in it and not think that something like that's not going to happen. It was just what the abolitionist said. We warned you. We warned you. We warned you that if you treat people this way, this is what's going to happen. And that's my view. I won't condemn them. <b>I will not condemn.</b></bq>